what happened to the DSM crowd?...

[Turbo Dave]

I was at the races saturday night, riding with my friend in an eclipse, and we were hanging out at different spots and it seems that NOBODY drive's eclipses or talon's... i guess everyone got one after F&F and crashed it or blew up the motors.

I dont know its like they fell off the edge of the import world... i thought the 4g63 was like the king of boost lol

[Dv8]

The 2jz is the king of boost... the 4g was a weaksauce first attempt at it.

Theres a pretty good reason why DSM's have dropped off the face of the planet. You said it yourself, they have pretty much all been wrecked or blown up.

[cp[mike]]

so we are taking their hearts

[DhN]

cant spell disappintment without DSM

done right they are quick as shit..awd turbo..mmm

i wanted one,but all the reasonably priced ones were peoples blown projects

they jus blow up alot...theres a dsm shop by me called turbotrix..so i se plenty of dsms..expecially evos

[93accordEX]

[owequitit]

Don't forget that the 2 turbo DSM generations have been out of production for awhile now.

They have the capability to be VERY fast, but in all honesty, they are sinkholes for money.

And then the turbos were relatively rare, and when you factor in the number that crash or blow up, then aren't around much.

Why are 4th gen Prelude VTECs so hard to find?

[AccordWarrior]

Don't forget that the 2 turbo DSM generations have been out of production for awhile now.

They have the capability to be VERY fast, but in all honesty, they are sinkholes for money.

And then the turbos were relatively rare, and when you factor in the number that crash or blow up, then aren't around much.

Why are 4th gen Prelude VTECs so hard to find?

Because they were pushing 30 grand new.

[growguy]

they all crankwalked.

[deevergote]

DSMs aren't bad cars... it's just that any irresponsible kid can get ahold of one cheap these days and just boost till it blows. The 4G63 came in MANY cars, so parts are a dime a dozen. Done right, they're very potent. Some of the best street cars you could own. The 2jz has NOTHING on the affordability of the 4G63. The problem lies more in the owners than the design. Cisco did point out to me once that the driveshaft design is wack, but other than that, they're solid cars.


Look at all the Japanese turbo cars available from the early 90s...

Supras are still insanely expensive. Probably the best for reliability and raw power, but they're such because the irresponsible kids can't really afford them... not in quantity.

Nissan 300ZX... the turbo ones run nearly as much as Supras. Most of the ones I come across "just need a new injector"... yeah, that can't be good.

FD RX-7s... as fizzy pointed out many times, the stock cooling system was crap. Once that is fixed, they're reliable. However, rotaries by nature have a shorter lifespan than standard piston engines. They produce lots of heat, and the uneducated tuner will blow it up easily. Most turbo RX-7s with more than 100k on them are on their second engine at least by now... those that aren't are either owned by people who know how to maintain a rotary properly, or they're just lucky!

The DSMs, honestly, are probably some of the hardiest 90s turbo cars on the road. They've stood up to the worst beatings, and they're still going. For the cost of a half-decent version of any of the cars listed above, you can build, blow, and rebuild a DSM. Do it right, and you won't blow it up. The problem is finding one that isn't already clapped out.

[dwnhillCB791]

Well I just figured with the discontinuation of the awd eclipse that all those people moved on to the evo, since it was the only awd sports car mitsi offered. Its still has the 4G63 engine just different layout, though I believe the evo weights more than the eclipse, but guess people wanted added tech, as opposed to low weight.

[Turbo Dave]

... all those people moved on to the evo, since it was the only awd sports car mitsi offered. .

3000gt vr4... although super heavy... actually the lightest year ran a 13.2! (1994) and the heaviest ran a low 14 something.... but still i wouldnt want to even try to come up with repair bills for that thing.

[owequitit]

DSMs aren't bad cars... it's just that any irresponsible kid can get ahold of one cheap these days and just boost till it blows. The 4G63 came in MANY cars, so parts are a dime a dozen. Done right, they're very potent. Some of the best street cars you could own. The 2jz has NOTHING on the affordability of the 4G63. The problem lies more in the owners than the design. Cisco did point out to me once that the driveshaft design is wack, but other than that, they're solid cars.


Look at all the Japanese turbo cars available from the early 90s...

Supras are still insanely expensive. Probably the best for reliability and raw power, but they're such because the irresponsible kids can't really afford them... not in quantity.

Nissan 300ZX... the turbo ones run nearly as much as Supras. Most of the ones I come across "just need a new injector"... yeah, that can't be good.

FD RX-7s... as fizzy pointed out many times, the stock cooling system was crap. Once that is fixed, they're reliable. However, rotaries by nature have a shorter lifespan than standard piston engines. They produce lots of heat, and the uneducated tuner will blow it up easily. Most turbo RX-7s with more than 100k on them are on their second engine at least by now... those that aren't are either owned by people who know how to maintain a rotary properly, or they're just lucky!

The DSMs, honestly, are probably some of the hardiest 90s turbo cars on the road. They've stood up to the worst beatings, and they're still going. For the cost of a half-decent version of any of the cars listed above, you can build, blow, and rebuild a DSM. Do it right, and you won't blow it up. The problem is finding one that isn't already clapped out.

To some degree you are correct, but remember too that DSM isn't necessarily Mitsubishi.

The 4G63 is pretty stout, and Mitsu cars seem to be somewhat more reliable than the DSMs.

But every DSM I have ever dealt with that had any kind of age on it, that wasn't completely babied and driven like granny owned had problems with lots of other stuff.

The tranny is a prime example.

Case in point. A Talon TSi that was owned by a friends sister...

Had tranny issues.

So the kid who bought it put a brand new tranny. Not reman, not slightly used, DSM new, as in it came from the new parts warehouse.

Less than 2 weeks later, with not more than a couple hundred miles, if even that, 2nd started grinding again.

Every DSM I have personally ever dealt with was a money pit. They are parked more than they run, and they are always having problems even after they are fixed.

That has been my experience, and I am sticking to it.

Oddly, the car usually falls apart around the engine, which will still be running fine, often times, but not always.

They just had a lot of poor design issues.

And the Prelude VTEC retailed in the low to mid 20's.

Non-turbo DSM's don't count, because that was basically a Neon with a fancy body.

[StickyDilJoe]

The growing of the "JDM"-themed tuning and style of tuning and modification was basically the demise of the Eclipse/Talon generation of cars. Once the whole body kit trend died out and more japanese style tuning came about, nobody seemed to have any real interest in the cars anymore because you could only do so much to them looks-wise and they weren't so-called "J-D-M". There were some released/imported back to Japan and what not but they had another car over there in it's place known as the FTO that had a bigger following.

Crank-walking and unreliability never stopped kids from modifying cars. If that were the case, people wouldn't take two steps near a older supra with it's known for head-problems 7m-series motors. Same for the older Starion/Conquest cars in the 80's, their shitty motors to this day have not hampered anyone from building one. The Eclipses/Talons problems probably stopped alot of the more hardcore racing heads from building them anymore, but as a whole, the cars just weren't trendy any more and they lacked any kind of history or notoriety.

[HA91]

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[92DX]

i guess it's because the "hot" turbo motor nowadays is the SR20, lol