proof God exists

[deevergote]

Eh, he said attitude, not mind (it actually WAS a careful choice of words )

It's true. A 4 year old views all the actions of their parents to revolve around them. That is why parents that work too much, are unhappy for some external reason, or get divorced often do some psychological damage to thier young children. The child can't understand that there is far more going on in the parents' lives than what they can see and influence.

It is a fairly naive attitude to assume that an all powerful God would exist only to judge us. We claim to exist only for Him, but in reality, we expect Him to be doing the same for us. If there is a one and only God, are we his one and only project?

[maroonaccord2.2]

A young mind is one of ductility, imagination, and the most prone to growth..... So I guess that's a compliment. lol

We are all (believers or not) children in God's eyes.

[HondaFan81]

I hope there is a God so when I reach the gates I could have a chat with him. Maybe ask him some questions like, "why is believing in you more important then everything else someone has done in there life? Are you really that vain?"

Believing in God implies living your life to the fullest and is everything good you have done in your life, both are one and the same. This obviously implies you do not understand the meaning behind Him. You're focusing on the words themselves (i.e. Follow God) and not the meaning behind them.

[maroonaccord2.2]

Believing in God implies living your life to the fullest and is everything good you have done in your life, both are one and the same. This obviously implies you do not understand the meaning behind Him. You're focusing on the words themselves (i.e. Follow God) and not the meaning behind them.

Faith is the key.....

[HondaFan81]

Eh, he said attitude, not mind (it actually WAS a careful choice of words )

Fine on "attitude" but it comes from the mind/brain anyhow.

It is a fairly naive attitude to assume that an all powerful God would exist only to judge us. We claim to exist only for Him, but in reality, we expect Him to be doing the same for us. If there is a one and only God, are we his one and only project?

We exist to follow His ways, for those that find Him. We also exist to help/love one another, but that is implied with the previous sentence and some may not find God but do the 2nd sentence and in a sense they have found Him, just did not recognize it.

Does it matter if we're His only project or not? Is it even worth thinking about, really? We're not Him, so how would we know? Besides that, like we don't have enough in our lives to worry about rather than pondering that our entire lives, jealousy is all I see to come from that, it's totally not focusing on that point.

[HondaFan81]

A young mind is one of ductility, imagination, and the most prone to growth..... So I guess that's a compliment. lol

We are all (believers or not) children in God's eyes.

Children, better yet babies in His eyes is a compliment. When we are born, we have only original sin and when baptize we're freed from that sin and are at our purest state. That is why I think He says we are "Children in His eyes."

[TypeG]

Careful who you say has the mind of a 4-year-old. You are blessed to have not been born with a brain like that, think about it. Whether you are a believer or not, fact is some people are born like that and you could have been as well.

Also, God made us as beings with FREE WILL not to worship Him, but to WILLINGLY do so in recognition of Him, if you ever come to recognize Him as some do not. Think about it, we have the FREE WILL not to even acknowledge God as do some here. There is nothing better in this world/universe than LOVE, that is why God created us. He has ten commandments, but for simplicity there really is only ONE and that is to LOVE one another, so that tells us indirectly what He views as the MOST important aspect of life. He created us beings with FREE WILL so that we may live our lives and "hopefully" recognize Him and LOVE him because there is nothing better in this world/universe than that. To be loved by someone who has a free will is precious because we have the option and so many distractions in life not to. For those of you that may think, well why did He not then just make beings that love Him? The answer is, because that is not TRUE love and for that you must have FREE WILL and WILLINGLY do so because it is so much stronger and has more meaning.

good post. later.

[HondaFan81]

For some weak people the only thing that will turn them back to God is hitting rock bottom in their lives or a brush with death, or having a child. Nothing defines weak better than not attributing something to yourself. Placing blame, reason, or unexplainable miracles to something or someone else is pathetic.

God doesn't appear to us physically, therefore he does by other methods and in other ways or beings, etc. I'm sure for most people through tough times there was someone/something that helped. You're right and it's the sad sad truth that for many people they have to go through some traumatic event in their lives to realize that. I don't view people in traumatic events/possibly even near death, etc. as "weak" but strong because they think differently then, then when their lives were going well. Usually when people come out of situations like that in their lives, they come out stronger and not weaker and with a different attitude towards life because in their physically weak moments, spiritually they became stronger.

Placing reason for things we can not understand is not pathetic, regardless of what anyone says something had to create life and everything else, so why would that "God" be able to create miracles, etc.?

[HondaFan81]

To question is to be human. To follow is to be sheep.

To follow is to be sheep, implied in a negative manner I take it?

To follow evil is bad, to follow good is to be a sheep. I'd be a sheep any day. Who else would we follow? Ourselves? Last I knew, not ONE human made this world/universe nor has the power to do so. How would you expect them to understand the true meaning of life when they did not create it and still they would what...follow themself?

[Accord R33]

wow, I take a break for a few days and the whole thread turns into 4:00 mass.

[deevergote]

This has progressed WAY beyond the original scope.

Cisco, the sheep comment refers to those who follow blindly. I've seen and heard MANY arguments by bible-quoters that weren't even correct. Sadly, MANY people who preach the word of God don't even have the right idea. Those people are the sheep. If you're going to stand up for something, or even go so far as to preach something, at least learn a bit about it... (I'm sure you can relate when talking to uneducated tuners with big engine plans... and little knowledge)


The original post was an attempt to prove the existance of God mathematically, which was torn apart by the religious and non-religious alike. Since then, we've amassed 9 pages of arguing that is accomplishing nothing. There are 3 types of people here. Those that believe, and will hear nothing else. Those that don't believe and feel they should put down those with faith. And those that are willing to look at every angle in an effort to understand. Aside from those that post maliciously, there's no problem with any of it... but nobody is communicating. Everybody is just dumping their beliefs as if they are completely right. We can't prove any of it, so why argue? It went beyond theoretical as soon as someone posted a bible verse as fact. I should have locked it then. This discussion is skewed... it's no longer a discussion. Now it's no longer an open thread.