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Diagnosing Code 1, 41, and 43 Walk through

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    Diagnosing Code 1, 41, and 43 Walk through

    I have seen numerous people asking about code 43 over and over again and wanted to do a write up on the process of diagnosing it, so hopefully people can fix it without having to post the same thing over and over again.

    (FYI, these tests can also be used for codes 1 and 41 if you are trying to find a problem)

    First thing, if you are using a Bosch O2 sensor, or an original 20+ year old sensor, this is probably your problem right off the bat. I will recommend getting a NGK or Denso and seeing if that fixes your problem. The problem with the Bosch O2 is that it is generic and made for EVERYTHING not including the fact that it has a resistance in the O2 sensor at only 4 ohms. Our O2 circuit requires 10-40ohms of resistance, so the Bosch is not adequate and will often be the cause of your problem (Do not get me wrong, some do work well enough not to throw a code, but generally this will be your problem.)

    Now if you are using a NGK or Denso O2 sensor, there are a couple checks you can do before replacing your O2 sensor.

    Check#1a- Run your car up to normal operating temp. (Cooling fan comes on) Unplug your O2 sensor; you need to check the ohm resistance between terminal A and B. They should be between 15ohm and 20 ohm. If they are not, replace O2 Sensor. (If you check it when it is cold, it should be between 10-40ohm, but better to check when it is warm)

    Check #1b (From Cloudasc) - He was having intermediate problems where his car would sputter/bog down and he could push it to WOT and come out of it with the car operating fine. In his case, he unplugged the O2 all together and drove without the O2 plugged in. That is how he could tell it was his O2.

    Check #2 –
    - You need to access your ECU. (If you do not know how to find it, use the search button above.. I bet you can find it.) Now you want to measure the voltage between terminals D14 (+) and A26 (-). Set your volt meter on the 2V setting. Once you have your test prongs/wires on those terminals (while they are still plugged into the ECU, so best to get a paper clip to shove into them, and then connect your meter to the paperclips) turn the key to the ON position. You should read .4-.5v then it will decrease to about .1v in less than 2 minutes.
    - Both of the next steps require you to remove the plug at the O2 sensor.
    2a.) If the ECU test has the .1v, Measure the Volts again at D14 and A26 after removing the O2 plug. If there is above .1v, replace the O2 sensor. If it is not above .1v, disconnect the main plugs at the shock tower and test volts again. If there is above .1v, replace the white wire from D14 to O2 sensor plug. If there is not enough volts, replace the ECU with a good known working ECU and test again.
    2b.) If the ECU test has < .1v you will test the O2 sensor plug on the engine harness side. While the key is turned on, test the volts between C (-) and D (+). If the Volts are above .1v, replace O2 sensor, if the Volts are below .1v, replace white O2 sensor wire between D14 and O2 sensor plug.







    I realize most of the walk through ends in replacing your O2, but you may have a bad ECU or your old wire harness has a bad wire.

    Now if this does not fix your problem. This is a good time to go ahead and start diagnosing your fuel related problems. AKA, fuel filter, FPR, Injectors, Injector resistors, and lastly your Fuel Pump (I MEAN LAST!!) I am a big fan of checking your fuel pressure before moving forward with any fuel related problems since it should be between 33-40psi.
    Last edited by dj_ender; 06-05-2012, 07:24 PM. Reason: Added code 1 and 41 to the description
    "There is nothing wrong with you that an expensive operation cannot prolong."

    #2
    yup ,, bosch is mostly GM
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      #3
      Originally posted by 10thAnnivCB7 View Post
      yup ,, bosch is mostly GM
      Ya I just wanted to put some good solid facts/tests behind the code 43 instead of people just telling everyone to change the O2 because you can technically check the O2 to see if it is bad (if you have a multimeter). Plus I have read a few people changing it and still not fixing the problem or gas mileage getting better, which is why I wanted to show the volt testing since most people do not check that.
      "There is nothing wrong with you that an expensive operation cannot prolong."

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        #4
        Originally posted by Oreellyfool View Post
        Ya I just wanted to put some good solid facts/tests behind the code 43 instead of people just telling everyone to change the O2 because you can technically check the O2 to see if it is bad (if you have a multimeter). Plus I have read a few people changing it and still not fixing the problem or gas mileage getting better, which is why I wanted to show the volt testing since most people do not check that.
        So if you replace it and the gas mileage doesn't get better, it could be the ECU?
        Thanks.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Bad_dude View Post
          So if you replace it and the gas mileage doesn't get better, it could be the ECU?
          Thanks.
          It very well could be, a break/short in the line could easily be the cause to all your problems. Before you go assuming the ECU is bad, these volt tests are actually quite easy and you could narrow down the hunt for the code 43. But I would say a bad ECU is unlikely unless you have had it exposed to water or have a jackass of a buddy who is drunk trying to slam the front seat into your other buddy in the rear seat and while he is at it kicks the floor really hard breaking a resistor in your ECU...... (That was a rant from experience...)
          "There is nothing wrong with you that an expensive operation cannot prolong."

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            #6
            Originally posted by Oreellyfool View Post
            It very well could be, a break/short in the line could easily be the cause to all your problems. Before you go assuming the ECU is bad, these volt tests are actually quite easy and you could narrow down the hunt for the code 43. But I would say a bad ECU is unlikely unless you have had it exposed to water or have a jackass of a buddy who is drunk trying to slam the front seat into your other buddy in the rear seat and while he is at it kicks the floor really hard breaking a resistor in your ECU...... (That was a rant from experience...)
            Well, my car threw the code 43 a month ago, just when I was going to replace the O2 sensor any way. 2 days after I got the sensor, the cel came on. I never tested for it. But the code stayed off since the replacement. Well my gas mileage is about the same compare to before the O2 sensor replacement. Which ranges about 18-22 mpg. Since I became unemployed June 2011, I rare go on the freeway so mostly city driving and almost no traffic. My car is in great shape as far as maintenance go. I was just wondering if any thing I could do. But without the code, would the ECU still be bad? I don't have any of the water damage or while drunk friends in my car. My car is 90 LX Auto Sedan.
            Thanks.

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              #7
              Very nice write-up

              Unfortunately you're still going to get people asking how to fix a code 43 every other week. Whether this is a Sticky or not...

              Welcome to the world of internet car forums. Where 99% of the people seem to ask questions before they read anything!
              MR Thread
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                #8
                Originally posted by GhostAccord View Post
                Very nice write-up

                Unfortunately you're still going to get people asking how to fix a code 43 every other week. Whether this is a Sticky or not...

                Welcome to the world of internet car forums. Where 99% of the people seem to ask questions before they read anything!
                Some times the questions they ask are different than what the DIY wrote. Asking questions some times just to clarify, but how you ask the questions that help get you the details. Not all search will give you the info you are looking for but then close to it, some times doesn't do it but at least I try to keep my English as correct as possible. English is my second language and now it's mostly my only language. Some times the thing that upset me is not the question, but the misspelled words and poor grammar as if the person just doesn't care on how he/she communicates. So if the person that is asking the questions don't care, why should we? Hmm!!!.
                I think it was you Ghost over at Honda-tech who got on the kid about the caps lock was it? Dude, I didn't want to give any more beating as he already got plenty from other members. That ungrateful kid.
                Last edited by Bad_dude; 04-16-2012, 05:44 PM.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Bad_dude View Post
                  Well, my car threw the code 43 a month ago, just when I was going to replace the O2 sensor any way. 2 days after I got the sensor, the cel came on. I never tested for it. But the code stayed off since the replacement. Well my gas mileage is about the same compare to before the O2 sensor replacement. Which ranges about 18-22 mpg. Since I became unemployed June 2011, I rare go on the freeway so mostly city driving and almost no traffic. My car is in great shape as far as maintenance go. I was just wondering if any thing I could do. But without the code, would the ECU still be bad? I don't have any of the water damage or while drunk friends in my car. My car is 90 LX Auto Sedan.
                  Thanks.
                  I would be interested to see if you actually checked the voltage of the wires and the continuity(ohm) resistance of the sensor. Check it out, let us know what the results are.
                  "There is nothing wrong with you that an expensive operation cannot prolong."

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by GhostAccord View Post
                    Very nice write-up

                    Unfortunately you're still going to get people asking how to fix a code 43 every other week. Whether this is a Sticky or not...

                    Welcome to the world of internet car forums. Where 99% of the people seem to ask questions before they read anything!
                    You can always direct them here, better than trying to walk them through it 500 times.
                    "There is nothing wrong with you that an expensive operation cannot prolong."

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                      #11
                      Only time I usually ever get involved in a massive trouble shooting issues like this one. Is to refer the member to a Honda shop manual. However, next time I come across another one. I'll remember that this thread is here and point them in this direction.
                      MR Thread
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                        #12
                        Great write-up!

                        This story/example took place 4-08-2009

                        It took over two hours of my car sputtering on and off before I was able to get my car to throw a code 43, the quick way that I isolated what the problem was is I just simply unplugged my o2 sensor, and drove around with it unplugged and the sputtering/surging/stalling problem went away. Another interesting thing is if I would WOT while it was sputtering it would "break free", and take off like normal. These were the symptoms that led up to my code 43, and I thought it would be useful to add to this thread. Intermittent problems are the worst.

                        It was so bad drove me to the point I took the car to honda, where they proceeded to say it was my egr, and even though the tech bypassed it (screw in the vacuum line), the symptoms were still there, and honda wouldn't move on with further diagnosing until the egr ports were cleaned (which my a6 runner/h23 plenum was at CHR Racing getting p&p and flowbalanced at the time, I would have them in a week, so no point in spending money on my cleaning my a1 intake's egr ports).

                        Once I found out what my issue was (the o2 sensor), I managed to get half my money back from the *half-right* diagnoses that honda gave (after pulling the line with the stubborn manager "what ever happened to the customer always being right", a very cross looking 45-55 year old woman. You know how women have "the look", well she had "the look" all the time .

                        It boiled down to these to things in my opinion.
                        1. Its only fair that the tech get paid for the time they spent, and especially in the state the economy was in at the time.
                        2. I came in trying to have a specific problem fixed, they did tell me something was wrong with my car, but that was not the cause of my issues.

                        I swear some of the techs these days, if they can't plug in a scanner, or pull codes they are completely clueless.

                        Convenience was the reason I went, as my mechanic was all the way across town, and the dealership was literally next door to my work.
                        Last edited by cloudasc; 04-17-2012, 09:53 PM.
                        PT3/6 Development Thread | My 1991 LX Coupe | DIY: 90-93 Tcu Fix

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                          #13
                          Thanks man! It was my first write up, but I saw enough of the questions being asked that I felt I should write one up with my knowledge.

                          So in your case of it sputtering intermediately and using WOT to get past it, what was your your problem? Bad O2/harness/ECU? I will be sure to add it.... when I figure out what caused yours!
                          "There is nothing wrong with you that an expensive operation cannot prolong."

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Oreellyfool View Post
                            Thanks man! It was my first write up, but I saw enough of the questions being asked that I felt I should write one up with my knowledge.

                            So in your case of it sputtering intermediately and using WOT to get past it, what was your your problem? Bad O2/harness/ECU? I will be sure to add it.... when I figure out what caused yours!
                            It was the o2 sensor:
                            PT3/6 Development Thread | My 1991 LX Coupe | DIY: 90-93 Tcu Fix

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by cloudasc View Post
                              It was the o2 sensor:
                              Done thanks for the addition! A comprehensive write up will always be beneficial to someone....
                              "There is nothing wrong with you that an expensive operation cannot prolong."

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