boost f22b or h22a?

[deevergote]

Jay, for your budget, F22 is the way to go. The H22 is great, but as I learned, boosting it is a VERY expensive project. 200hp is nice, but I want more. I'm sick of getting my added power in 2-3hp increments via boltons. I also don't want to spend $800 for a set of cams that will allow 20hp tops with $200+ of good dyno tuning! Boost is the way to go, just with a stronger engine. The H22, built reliably, will cost about $10,000 to boost and make any reasonable power.

The F22 would cost far less and be able to make decent power. If you can find the engne for $500, and build a turbo kit for $1500, you're already getting it cheaper than an H22 from HMO!

Turbo cars DO have their issues, and you are going to have to pay closer attention to the engine/turbo than you would with a straight H22 swap... However, I don't think you'll have any problems. I, for one, will need to change my lazy ways when I boost, or I'll have problems! I change my oil on time... that's my maintenance schedule. I rarely open my hood for anything else, even to check things.

[Swifty1638]

lol..I am just the opposite..I look for problems, always thinking there is an issue..I am gonna replace my master and slave clutch cylinders, oil pan gasket, and lower my car this week..I jsut replaced my valve cover gasket (2x, since I tightened them too much the first time, and sprayed everything wit oil.. )anyways, these guys at work say 8 psi of boost is a lot! I dunno..I mean, tony has 7-1 compression pistons in his turboed civic, and he blew it at 35 psi..(don't ask) but even at 10.1-1 (is this the f22 block..lemme know) it does'nt seem lik 8 psi is reliable..am I wrong? Also, y is every boosted f22 blowing these days? I am still torn on what to do..h22, or boost..I LOVE the sound of boost, but understand that I am a kid, who is saving for racing school and college, but more importantly, has parents who think he has invested too much money into his car..now, I could pass off an h22a better then boost, since I have off-and-on issues wit my oil..It likes drinking and whatnot..a lot. I fixed the problem, wit replaced gaskets, but I could always tell them its a bad ring on the piston, and not worth the money to fix, instead of replacing the motor..I cannot think of an excuse on the same line to get a turbo setup. I wish there was a way.. Iwant a boost gauge, and that sound SOOO bad..but, I want a RELIABLE setup too..Also, what must I do to beat this tony kid at work, wit his civic hb, swapped wit a b18, cams, I/H/E, 9:1 compression pistons, and whatnot..he says it is at around 220 hp to the wheels..What must I do to shut him up, and stop everyone at work from thinking he has the coolest, fastest car..it's my turn at the title..


-A. Swift

[h22sparkle]

Well just gotta be careful. Our motors arent the best to boost on they are somewhat fragile made of aluminum. But they can still be affective when its done right. to do it right its gonna cost cause comon turbo on a stock motor with no build down the line isnt gonna last that long same as a built motor too its all about the tuning aswell that plays a very cold role in the motor game with forced induction.

And also who had the motor before the person decided to boost it has the person in the past kept it up to date with the maintenance did they beat on the motor constantly too. Well the main reason why people boost on the f22 motor is because its cheap ,lower compression with the h22 and when you blow the f22 you can find another one most comon with price. Unlike the h22 motor you blow that up hope you have another g to fork out with shipping cause they arent so common in the junkyards nowadays. I dont knwo about what your friend is sayin im not a fan of the bseries motors but they handle boost better that the h22's.

If your saving up for racing school and want to be fast and want a reliable daily driver go h22. You wont regret it but if your gonna boost dont go more that 6.5 psi on that block and you better have it tuned good by a good tuner or else boom.

[Accord R33]

Originally posted by h22sparkle
... to do it right its gonna cost cause comon turbo on a stock motor with no build down the line isnt gonna last that long same as a built motor too its all about the tuning aswell that plays a very cold role in the motor game with forced induction.

just a little "Did you know" but contrairy to popular belief BOOST does not blow engines. its caused mostly by detonation and crappy fuel/ignition management. luckly we are on the verge of a breakthough in the accord tunning world and the AFC "hack" will be a thing of the past and F22s will be kicking H22s ass for just as much money if not cheaper and just as reliable

[h22sparkle]

I doubt it bro yall say that now but when you blow your shit up then what buy another engine invest more into it boom blew it up again . Im not here to start arguments about kickin whos ass her but dont let me start boostin .


You dont wanna see what the h22 does when it goes boostin. Ohyeah you know whats funny you say that to the gsrs and civics until they walk all over you. You can boost the f22 I liked the f22s but they arent as powerful. Notice how you need fi to keep up with me. Still anything you do to that motor im still ahead of you bost allmotor this can go on for centuries.

Either way i still win. Im more than happy on the breakthrough on the cb7's. I knew about the boost its not boost that kills engines its the tuning aswell. thats what i mentioned from before. BUt its not like your gonna tell us but anyway let us know when you blow it up. So I can laugh arent you having problems with it now better take it to a shop before !BOOM!. VAFC's are good too dont get it twisted if your on a budget and dont feel like goin through the hassle of chippin then its all good as long as its on a dyno still havent taken yours to a dyno yet uhuh !BOOM!

[Accord R33]

you seriously have no clue what your talking about do you?

no offense man but your H22 is never gonna catch a F22 @ 10psi. just not going to happen.

[h22sparkle]

Yes it will at 10 psi. With tuning you must have never heard of firedrake b4 runnin 11psi on honda-tech .com that shit will walk all over u now thats tuning.

[WiKKeDV16]

sparkle.. ugh.. all u fucking do is compare what everyone else is doing to what you have.. stick to what u have..

"dont let me boost"


werent u talking about hitting only 6.5psi.. over AIM cause u were scared of what would happen.. so yeh.. which one handles boost better??

and ur numbers for 6.5psi boosted h22a were so generous it was scary...

regardless.. stop downing shit u dont or havent done.. i havent done a turbo accord myself but have helped in the process of so far.. 3.. yes count them 3 ..


I knew about the boost its not boost that kills engines its the tuning aswell. thats what i mentioned from before. BUt its not like your gonna tell us but anyway let us know when you blow it up. So I can laugh arent you having problems with it now better take it to a shop before !BOOM!. VAFC's are good too dont get it twisted if your on a budget and dont feel like goin through the hassle of chippin then its all good as long as its on a dyno still havent taken yours to a dyno yet uhuh !BOOM!

you always seem to post what other ppl say.. so u dont look wrong..

your intelligence or lack there of.. is just bleh..

all u think is gonna happen is boom.. boom.. boom.. those who have gone boom is because of mishap or because of bad tuning.. either or its not the damn Fs fault..

and a SAFC/VAFC will never compare to standalone.. DONT GET IT TWISTED..

and wtf does him taking his shit to the dyno have anything to do with blowing it up

last time i checked eric wasnt a dumbass and ran his shit lean.. hes using a smc for right now and is ok with spending the gas money.. so quit the talking.. all u do is bash on other pplz shit.. jesus.. grow the fuck up..

[h22sparkle]

Lack of knowledge shut the fuck up . I said im only stickin up to 6.5 psi for a daily driver. Lack oif knocwledge I wouldnt talk sellin poor deever that piece of shit 89 lx and you talkin about gettin a swap please. Shit i havent done I boosted and juice more cars than u have like my cb7 i just havent boosted i put boost on a supra b4 thats more compilcated.

IMO fuck the f thats what its for to get fucked up all day. I wouldnt bring up past revelations you could have boosted earlier but as i recall i got away when i went past a cop doin over the speed limit and i didnt lose my liscence know someone ehhhh wikkedv16.

[92accordDx]

cool guys i really apricate all the info you guys are giving me. i dont want this to turn into a h versus f series so could you guys end it right here that is not what the thread was started for so dont make me have to open up a can of whhooop ass on one of you guys

[deevergote]

Ok, to clear a few things up, and make some points.

Eric is right. Detonation is what actually kills engines. Excessive boost on an improperly built and tuned engine will cause detonation. Crappy gas or ignition could also cause it. Stock Honda parts (pistons, head, valves, etc...) under certain conditions can create hot spots, which also make boom boom...

As Wikked said, NOTHING is better than a standalone. There a few systems out there, but no AFC hack will ever compare.

The H22 has 2 advantages to the F22 when it comes to boost. 1 being that it starts off with better stock parts, and makes 60-75 more hp in stock form. 2: having seperate cams for intake and exhaust greatly improve tuning ability. Tuning a single cam, while possible, is more difficult.

The F ALSO has advantages... More than the H, actually! The F is cheap to replace, in the event of a problem. You could find a new block, or a whole new engine, cheaper than an H22. Hell, I sold my F for $50! Tranny included! The F is also a bit stronger internally. I would never boost a stock H22, but I would risk low boost on an F22. (well, to me low boost is a waste of money, and a waste of a turbocharger... but still.)


Sparkle, you're wrong about an F22 on 10psi. IF the turbo system was designed efficiently, and if the driver wasn't retarded, it would win. Figure, even an F22A1 at 125hp stock... 10psi, with roughly 10hp per psi... that makes it a 225hp car. The torque is probably up around 190, making the car much faster off the line. The only way an H22 driver of similar skill would win is if the extra torque of the F22 snapped the weak-ass Accord axle!

[WiKKeDV16]

Originally posted by h22sparkle
Lack of knowledge shut the fuck up . I said im only stickin up to 6.5 psi for a daily driver. Lack oif knocwledge I wouldnt talk sellin poor deever that piece of shit 89 lx and you talkin about gettin a swap please. Shit i havent done I boosted and juice more cars than u have like my cb7 i just havent boosted i put boost on a supra b4 thats more compilcated.

IMO fuck the f thats what its for to get fucked up all day. I wouldnt bring up past revelations you could have boosted earlier but as i recall i got away when i went past a cop doin over the speed limit and i didnt lose my liscence know someone ehhhh wikkedv16.

lets do this numerically.. hopefully u can keep up sparky..

1.learn how to spell.. if your gonna come at me come correct..

2.it was an 86 lxi not lx and if deever wasnt happy with his PROJECT CAR.. i doubt he would of taken it to NJ

3.Shit i havent done I boosted and juice more cars than u have like my cb7 i just havent boosted i put boost on a supra b4 thats more compilcated.

yeh.. umm. 3a.u havent or have.. make up ur mind.. 3b. what makes u sure you have done more than i have ..??? honestly??
3c.what makes putting a turbo on a supra more difficult than any motor for that matter?? there certain principles to follow its not all that hard if you kno wtf your doing..


IMO fuck the f thats what its for to get fucked up all day. I wouldnt bring up past revelations you could have boosted earlier but as i recall i got away when i went past a cop doin over the speed limit and i didnt lose my liscence know someone ehhhh wikkedv16.

fuck the F.. well im sure ull say that when one passes you by..

whose the one bringing up past topics?? this was talked two days ago??? and its on topic.. comparing boost/ N/A

also.. if your gonna use my personal life on this board.. get the fucking story straight first

I didnt get away... i had a split second to think about running but i didnt..
i DID get pulled over..and i DID get my license suspended.. so get the fucking story straight

back on topic.. deever i couldnt agree with you more..

personally.. like in your situation.. wiht the A series.. its just a cheap motor to learn off of.. Im not saying the F is that.. but in Essence it is.. its not too hard to find a replacement motor and learn from mistakes.. and like eric said.. were on the verge of breaking open through a door that hasnt been crossed much for the accords. atleast when the F motors are concerned.

id Still choose a F over an H anyday.. yes a H N/A is probably more reliable.. but in all honesty.. do we mod our cars to be babied?? i personally dont. if i do something to a car i plan to run it hard.. real hard. if not whats the point? then your car just becomes a trailer queen..

as for running a F22-T vs H22a n/a i still think the F would win..

i mean im not trying to use blazen as my only resource for this but i dont feel liek digging up other accord dynos

f22a1 t25/smic/afc hack= 160whp 176tq automatic.. that right there speaks volumes.. the accord motor is definetly a torquey mother fucker.. on H-T today i saw a dyno of a h22a that was pushing 190ish whp and only 160 something tq.. nice hp numbers but wheres the torque at?? i dunno call me biased but i think the F is a great platform that just needs time to shine..


standalone advancements will lead us to a new geenration of tuning..a new set of problems and hurdles to be concured. personally i feel happy that im part of that with the select other few R33/MIid/Zigen/fan81/ and those select others who strive to get the accord running standalone


reeves: sorry for turning your thread into shit sparkle just hit the boiling point with me and a selected other and i just acted on it.. i said what needed to be said or atleast what i felt needed to be said. as you know we can work out to get you a f22b fairly cheap and go from there with the turbo setup.. as we speak midnite is installing his setup.. doing a more intense documentation job than Accord R33 did.. not that Accord R33 was good.. but Midnite is just trying to make Ver 2.0 with whatever eric may have missed.

in conclusion whatveer you choose in the end i hope it truly makes you happy.. boost n/a w.e as long as it makes you happy then this bitching back and forth was worth it IMO..


P.S Sparkle.. have fun with ur with Type-S "Bottom end"