Can someone please remind me why the CB7tuner scene matters anymore?

[KeeleDesign]

Maybe you could post the idea I had on the FB site and mention it is a forum thing only. To attract more to see the site?.. might or might not work

[toycar]

Intelligent discussion about it can be had, but it is hard when someone refuses to accept the truth and allows personal feelings to clout their judgement.

You are the one with clouted judgement when you can both acknowledge later in this post that the stuff that turns me off from FB is real and then defend it to death like those things never happen. Your personal satisfaction from FB is what allows you to feel that way. No denying that the shit I mentioned is real. It just doesn't apply to you, so I guess it doesn't matter right?



Try managing a dozen teams of 15-17 people while having two teenage kids at home that are both popular and active in sports/dating. I have a relationship with my son that is open/honest and one that I am proud of. You would not belive the shit that comes up over FB, and because of my LIFE EXPERIENCE I have formed an opinion. One that you wish to discredit based on NOTHING OTHER THEN YOUR FEELINGS. You are not denying the shit I am saying happens, you are saying its not FB's fault.


Like you are too naive to understand that FB enables this stuff to happen, and that YES people make the choice to do it, but it wasn't an option in the first place without FB. You for some reason cannot connect those dots. You are too busy defending precious FB to even wrap your head around the cause and affects of FB.

Facebook has been involved in a plethora of scandalous crap, from suicides to bullying, to child pornography and home robberies.

Im sure if you Google Facebook just right, there are 1000s of stories.

But I assure you that in not one of those stories, did Facebook actually commit or perpetrate those crimes. It may have allowed the commission of a crime, but it did not approve or incite/instigate/initiate.

It's just a medium, and how it is used, is directly related to the EU.

So by that right, I think it's unfair to blame Facebook for societies problems and those select problems that find their unfortunate way into the world of Facebook.

Right, just like all those kids at Newtown that got shot-its their problem, societies problem right? I mean, the fact that Adam Lanza was bullied beyond the terms definition has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT RIGHT? I mean Adam Lanza might not have been bullied on FB, because it didn't exist then. It has happened though. Schools getting shot up over FB bullying. The shooters just didn't kill so many people. It has happened, and it will continue to happen.


I mean, you'll acknowledge people get bullied on FB, you acknowledge thousands of incidents spurring up surrounding FB use, you acknowledge that it does get abused-but YOU REFUSE TO UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEONE MIGHT AVOID IT BECAUSE OF THOSE SAME REASONS? And then you go so far as to suggest that MY personal feelings clout my judgement, when its YOU that refuses to connect the dots between the flaws we both can agree on and how THAT is a turnoff for me?


But again, we both agree on the flaws, you fail to realize those exact things are why I think FB is whack? But its MY personal feelings that clout judgement?


Really? Are you serious?

Saying things like, "It's sad if you're looking for friends from 20 years ago" is not helping your case, and is just making things worse.

That is part of why this thread was created anyway. Quick to judge and execute. No trial, no nothing. Bias and bs. No truth or honesty, especially within one's self.

You are putting words in my mouth by calling people "SAD" for doing that. I made a mochary of the notion that people NEED that in their life, and said something to the affect "Was life so bad before connecting with 20 yr old memories?" because there is a lesson there. If your life is so crappy without FB, you need to change your life. If you were incomplete without reconnecting with old buddies from a LIFETIME ago, you probably aren't living a very happy life now.


Obviously, people that fall into this category will defend their precious to the death because it IS what completes them now. I had no idea that was you Ralphie.

It's a silly arugment anyway, but I think that Facebook is a great tool, a wonderful gift to society, but as in most things, everything in moderation.

If you live your entire life on it, it's probably not good.

So you ARE willing to acknowledge this or not? Are you willing to acknowledge that FB can and does enable people to live like that?

As far as bullying, simple. Parenting. I was not allowed at that age, to just free roam the internet.

Good for you. When you were a wee young teenager did you have a cell phone? Did you have FB? Did your cell phone have internet? Did you have a tablet? Did you have 75 different venues to get what you wanted either way? Do you see how the situation is VERY OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT? I mean my kids TV came preloaded with FB, just like his xbox has it, just like his cell phone has it, just like both of his tablets and his laptop, just like his Ipod touch. All of these devices actually came preloaded with this shit. Is that what you were dealing with when you were a kid? How old are you? FB hasn't even been around for 10 years, so how can you even act like you manuevered around and have dealt with this situation as anything other than an adult. You don't even have kids, let alone teenage kids but I love how you are an expert on the topic.

It was monitored and I shared a time limit as did my siblings.

So the parents letting their kids just have unfettered access to the internet and to just live on it all fucking day, well that's your problem. It's not facebooks fault.

The gun did it, facebook did it, the NRA did it.

Sounds a lot like people not taking responsibility for their actions.

You know you ignorant son of a bitch, if you had teenage kids, managed hundreds of mindless people following whats hot on FB or shared an open mind you would be able to wrap your head around the idea that FACEBOOK ENABLES THESE PROBLEMS THAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING NEED MANAGING.

Now you are trying to beat around the bush that really the issue is that parents(me in that situation you are referring too) are the ones not taking responsibility with kids in particular.


Jeesus christ man. Again, if you had teenage kids or any life experience at all you wouldn't be so close minded to the idea that FB ENABLES THIS BEHAVIOR. It didn't exist without FB.


Before FB, THIS WASNT A PROBLEM. Dont you get that? WTF are you missing here? Kids don't have to be on FB to be slandered on FB. You cannot manage OTHER kids, and its usually OTHER kids that cause problems, not your own. When your kids hear about shit second and third hand about them on FB, they want to see what its all about or fight back basically. Kids get worked up about this shit wether you realize that or not. To them, its real and managing that fucking blows. You have no idea what parents deal with because of FB. You really don't, and I am basically insulted by your ignorance on the topic and the fact that you so obviously overlooked that angle as well as many others in your arguement in defense of FB.

Its like you will admit everything I have brought up, but refuse to understand why putting all of that together = a situation I would rather avoid and some TRUE flaws in the FB idea.

"facebook ruined my life, it make's all my decisions, it controls my being".

Damn Justin, you run a pretty big company, i'd thought you have more sense then that.

I feel like you are a fucking dumb shit by making these claims my man. Seriously. Im probably coming across like I want to fight or something. I don't. I am offended by your assumptions, your lack of life experience and your expression of knowledge with such a lack of life experience.


You have no idea what dealing with hundreds of employees or teenage kids teaches you about FB. And, seriously, because you are willing to discredit my position or act like I am foolish for anything I am saying merely suggests that you have a lack of age and life experience to reference when thinking about this topic(FB debate, not the CB7 scene)



You feel the way you do because you haven't lived my side of the equation. I feel the way I feel because I have. Living your side of the situation, well, that seems pretty easy.


Post some shit, connect with people, carry conversations about stuff etc etc. Its like you fail to realize that there is so much more going on with FB aside from your private little life that seems to be running smooth.

Well thats great for you man, Im happy for you. Please stop carrying on with your non-sense about the rest of what happens because of FB though, because basically, you really don't have any idea what you are talking about. Especially when it comes to kids or employees.


Seriously.






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Sorry guys, Im done now. Hopefully not banned, but whatever. Shit needed to be said.

[bobbycos]

My eyes are burning from toycar's post.

Good reading there.

If we are gonna discuss Facebook let's do it in another thread please.