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  • hiptech
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    Originally posted by CyborgGT View Post

    Yes, it fits perfect. I assume the only reason why it's not listed as CB-compatible is because the battery in the CD is rotated 90 degrees from ours and there's an arrow stamped into the metal pointing to the front of the car. Using those two different-length J-bolts, on the correct sides of the battery (easy enough to figure out when it's all in-hand; I know the CB is spec'd as using two equal length J-bolts), that arrow is now pointing to the passenger fender.

    As for your question on how I knew it would fit... I didn't. I studied pictures of the factory CD battery tray and the height & offset difference between the two holes for the J-bolts, compared it to my own, and took a chance assuming the battery was the same size. I was more worried about getting the correct-length J-bolts, if I'm honest. That kit came with two different sizes, one of them being the correct CB length, so I figured worst case I would only have to replace one bolt. I got lucky with not having to modify anything. As long as that arrow doesn't bother you.
    That's excellent news! Really appreciate your reply and the diligence you've put into all this.
    I'm a great admirer of all the work and "engineering" you're doing... keep it up!

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  • CyborgGT
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    Originally posted by hiptech View Post
    Hey Cyborg,

    Just made an offer on EB to buy a couple of these battery hold down plates (the same P/N as yours) can you confirm the dimensions and fit is the same as the original before I pull the trigger?

    Thanks
    Yes, it fits perfect. I assume the only reason why it's not listed as CB-compatible is because the battery in the CD is rotated 90 degrees from ours and there's an arrow stamped into the metal pointing to the front of the car. Using those two different-length J-bolts, on the correct sides of the battery (easy enough to figure out when it's all in-hand; I know the CB is spec'd as using two equal length J-bolts), that arrow is now pointing to the passenger fender.

    As for your question on how I knew it would fit... I didn't. I studied pictures of the factory CD battery tray and the height & offset difference between the two holes for the J-bolts, compared it to my own, and took a chance assuming the battery was the same size. I was more worried about getting the correct-length J-bolts, if I'm honest. That kit came with two different sizes, one of them being the correct CB length, so I figured worst case I would only have to replace one bolt. I got lucky with not having to modify anything. As long as that arrow doesn't bother you.
    Last edited by CyborgGT; 08-17-2021, 07:56 PM.

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  • hiptech
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    Hey Cyborg,

    Just made an offer on EB to buy a couple of these battery hold down plates (the same P/N as yours) can you confirm the dimensions and fit is the same as the original before I pull the trigger?

    Thanks

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  • SSMAccord
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    I also hate those single use plastic screw / retainer thingies. The lip project seems like it is going to turn out quite well. Can’t wait to see it finished.

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  • Size9zombie
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    You might not have posted "completed work" but there is a whole lot of work going on here, and it's looking great.

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  • hiptech
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    Originally posted by CyborgGT View Post

    The "small things" I mentioned I've been taking care of were pieces like this OEM battery tie down. The factory CB plate is discontinued, the but 5th gen's is still available and works fine. I found this full kit on eBay.




    I used the Play-Doh from back when I made sure my pistons weren't contacting my valves to see if these J-bolts were contacting the hood. No contact with this little ball but after stepping up to an even larger ball, it's close but I should be good. Another part that you can see a bit of in this photo that Honda still has available is the coolant reservoir, since mine was filthy inside and there was no hope in cleaning it out. The lid's discontinued, but get the bottle while you can if you want a fresh one! It came with their 'vintage parts/no returns' tag, so I'm sure they'll be gone soon.


    More great work here...

    I too (along with others) have been seeking a replacement battery hold down bar but obviously they've been discontinued. I checked the part number you found from your pic and it's designed for the '94 on up models. The correct one is Plate, Battery Setting (70D/80D) - Honda (31512-SM4-010) which I'm sure you know.

    Since the P/N: 31512-SS0-000 was used across multiple models and years I'm hoping it's a perfect fit. So I have to ask how did you figure out this part would work since it definitely looks the same but are dimensions? But most importantly how well does it fit the CB7?

    BTW I found this helpful if you need to bring the plastic containers up to a like new condition...




    Last edited by hiptech; 08-17-2021, 09:32 AM.

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  • CyborgGT
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    I was hoping to post updates of completed work, but I've been so all over the place with this car lately, and things are more or less at a standstill again, so here's a bit of a dump...

    The biggest project has been grafting the sedan rear lip onto the wagon bumper. It's still not complete, because those plastic welder tips break way too easily. I've broken two so far. The brand of welder that Harbor Freight sells doesn't seem to sell just the tips, so to get a second tip, I just bought an entire second welding kit because it was convenient, only for that tip to break as well. I found another brand that sells tips separately on eBay, so hopefully those fit the HF welder. Still need to order them. I got most of the way through the welding part of the project, at least.


    Started by cutting the lip off of a sedan bumper and cleaning it up:




    Removing the bumper from the wagon was fun. My fourth-grade self says, "NOT!!" I hate these single-use plastic clips.




    One of the four studs that secures the bumper support to the body snapped. I hope these are hammered in and out of place like lug studs and can be replaced as easily.




    So much dirt in this car! This is just what came out of the bumper. When I first got the car, even the interior was covered in a fine layer of dust.




    What looks to be the extent of this car's rust, aside from some tiny rock chips in the paint on random spots on the body:




    I'm worried about this bulge. The bumper support underneath appears fine, but this spot is super dried out and hardened into this shape. At this point, I'm not sure if I can cut it out and plastic weld a new piece in place, or if I'll be cutting my custom lip back off one day to put it onto another bumper. I'm not tackling it at this point in the build, though.




    I cut the lip off and cleaned up the edge. I left a bit of the end on because the sedan lip is longer on the sides and would have required cutting anyway, but I also wanted to try to blend the sedan lip into the wagon's here.




    Here you can see that the two lips are shaped differently, and because of that the wagon lip is a bit wider. This gap is equal on both sides.




    To widen the sedan lip, I cut out the exhaust gap, since locating that within the width of the lip is the most crucial part of this whole project. The two sides of the sedan lip were then plastic welded onto the wagon bumper, at least from behind for now. What I forgot to photograph were the pie cuts I had to do to re-shape the corners of the lip and tighten them into the more 90-degree shape of the wagon's.




    The bumper was then placed back on the car and I propped up my muffler, centered within the heat shield under the car.




    After going to the junkyard to cut the muffler gap section out of a second sedan lip, wider than needed so that I had room for error, I then cut it as needed to match up with the centered muffler tips. It took a lot of careful trimming before I got it just right and ready to weld into place.




    It's looking very patchwork-quilty at the moment, but I'm feeling it'll come out looking like nothing was modified in the end. I just need to do some more plastic welding on the outside to add strength where the top edge of the lip meets the bumper, and then I can get to sanding it all down, adding filler where needed, etc.






    The "small things" I mentioned I've been taking care of were pieces like this OEM battery tie down. The factory CB plate is discontinued, the but 5th gen's is still available and works fine. I found this full kit on eBay.




    I used the Play-Doh from back when I made sure my pistons weren't contacting my valves to see if these J-bolts were contacting the hood. No contact with this little ball but after stepping up to an even larger ball, it's close but I should be good. Another part that you can see a bit of in this photo that Honda still has available is the coolant reservoir, since mine was filthy inside and there was no hope in cleaning it out. The lid's discontinued, but get the bottle while you can if you want a fresh one! It came with their 'vintage parts/no returns' tag, so I'm sure they'll be gone soon.




    I also replaced the little rubber grommets that hold the washer fluid motors into their reservoir, which meant removing the front bumper again. May as well remove the fog light while I'm in there to check out the exploded light bulb. Damnit, I'm going to have to open this thing up. Those bits of light bulb glass in there seem to be melted to the lens, and there's a fine coating of white dust everywhere inside. This driver side fog light has a foggier look to it now, compared to the passenger side light. That means replacing the butyl though, so I might just leave it and deal with it later on. Hopefully this was the result of cheap bulbs and not a wiring issue that needs figuring out. Oh, and that's not cracking in the lens, if you're wondering. Just the edge of the vinyl I have protecting the face from rocks.






    The belts, and a p/s pulley that isn't bent, were more of the small parts I needed. This power steering pump just isn't done giving me problems. First, the pulley shaft isn't reverse-threaded like OEM, so I had to take it to the hardware store just to buy a single nut and washer (anyone else hate going to a store just to spend pocket change?). And of course the threading on this cheap pump played mostly friendly with the nut. Ugh. At least it's on and tight. I was finally able to mount the pump into the car, but my earlier problem of the two side engine mounts fighting each other for position came back to bite me again: aside from the p/s pulley needing to be unbolted from the rest of the ATI damper just to get the belt on, that belt is a couple hairs away from rubbing on the mount bracket. And then, the low pressure fitting that the reservoir hose attaches to is smaller on 4th gen Accords than it is on 5th gen Accords and Preludes. So now I've got to grab a section of CD/Prelude hose, and figure out a step-down fitting to mate it to the CB's hose.




    At least my overall to-do list is pretty small these days. It's mainly a few more small parts to buy, including all of the fluids; draining the gas tank of regular octane and installing the Walbro pump, which I've been procrastinating on because I'm just not looking forward to that job since we don't have an access panel; and saving up the relatively large amount of money it's going to cost to get the intake and exhaust tubing welded up along with the dyno tune. A while back, PFI quoted me about $650 on the high end for just the tune, but if you follow them and their recent issues with the EPA, I'm starting to fear that they won't touch my 'street car' just to avoid getting in more trouble than they need to risk. There are other reputable tuners in Colorado, but Brent clearly knows the shortcuts in how to make Honda engines happy.
    Last edited by CyborgGT; 08-17-2021, 08:04 AM.

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  • hiptech
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    https://www.vpartsinc.com/

    "Vintage Parts is the global partner of choice for obtaining Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) obsolete and slow-moving service parts. Our international locations and relationships with over 80 OEMs allow us to provide a high-quality solution to extending the life of hard-to-find service parts."

    (877) 846-8243

    Just call them with the P/N and they can tell you the cost and if they have it. Found my NOS wheels, horns and other parts...

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  • Grumpys93
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    Originally posted by hiptech View Post

    If you have the P/N check with Vintage Parts...
    What is this Vintage Parts you speak of?

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  • SSMAccord
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    Ugh, that ordering process sounds unsettling. I hope the supply chain issues are able to resolved.

    I do like the idea of the NACA ducts for the intake air. It seems like a pretty safe way to get cooler air to the intake.

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  • CyborgGT
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    Luckily, most of my Majestic order will arrive tomorrow, without two items. A BB6 p/s pulley that was in there was "delayed because of the parts shortage" and they gave me an ETA on it, but a few days passed beyond that without an update so I just resubmitted the order to get the rest in hand. The other part they removed from the order (without explaining why) was the foam windshield reservoir float; obviously it's not a necessary part, but I get caught up in factory-refresh details sometimes and thought it was cool. I'll try again later for the pulley.

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  • hiptech
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    Originally posted by Grumpys93 View Post
    Also I got some bad news, Majestic canceled my order for the bumper bolts because they were on backorder for longer then 2 months or discontinued. They couldn't give me a straight answer.
    If you have the P/N check with Vintage Parts...

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  • Grumpys93
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    Those actually look awesome! Looks like they are 3D printed as well. I keep going back and forth on whether to buy a 3d printer or not. They look like they could be incorporated to port air to the brakes as well, connect a hose to the back and port it through to the fender liner. But I think also bringing ram air into the intake box area is a great idea.

    Also I got some bad news, Majestic canceled my order for the bumper bolts because they were on backorder for longer then 2 months or discontinued. They couldn't give me a straight answer.

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  • hiptech
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    Originally posted by CyborgGT View Post
    Geez, if you haven't already, start investing in what OEM wear items you can still get before they're gone, be they mechanical wear or things in the car you touch frequently. The biggest reason it's a shame that these aren't popular enthusiast cars is the fact that we'll never see something like Nissan's heritage program where they started making old GT-R parts again.
    You're so right on with this! Honda's pricing has baffled me (and others) for years with no rhyme or reason as to how they price parts. I've been accumulating OEM parts too wherever and whenever I can find them and where I have room to store. The trouble is some things you just can't anticipate and/or obtain any longer. If I had been more proactive I would have squirreled away a muffler, windshield, battery hold down clamps and more but hindsight is always 20/20. If only Honda could be made more receptive to starting up a Heritage program as you say life would be good...


    BTW your doing some outstanding work here... keep it up!
    Last edited by hiptech; 07-18-2021, 08:28 PM.

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  • CyborgGT
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    My NACA ducts came in. The sale ad showed the dimensions, but they're still a bit smaller than I had imagined when holding a ruler up to the bumper. Still, I was able to use these to finalize the concept. After the car's on the road, I'll order slightly larger ones and properly blend them into the bumper, so when it's eventually painted the flanges will disappear and you'll only see the holes. With how small these are, I wonder if the 1mm thick flange is affecting the functionality. I'm so happy with how this is shaping up so far, though!








    ... and now I'm noticing that my lip needs some adjusting so that edge sits flush again.

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