Bye bye ZO6...

[Snuff]

Ahhh, the Allure of a Grocery Getter that has Balls on the list of things to get at the store. (meaning that it cuts them off of the rivals)

[h22sparkle]

yeah you can get that on 8 cylinders its that easy but to push that from a 4banger thats incredible

[Gigante]

you all make it sound like any moron can make an eight cylinder car go fast. I would love to see some of you try to make a V8 faster. Its not like a mechanic who works on eight cylinder muscle cars is any less of a mechanic than one who works on imports. Many of you are saying things to the extent that I am not fair to import drivers but yet you all are being just as if not more unfair towards mechanics who may work on eight cylinder american cars.

[deevergote]

No one is saying 8 cylinder cars are any easier. It's just that a V8 that already has 250hp is already making the power that a 4 cylinder car has to be tuned to. Granted, they're usually a good deal heavier, so that 250hp doesn't move the car as much.

Still, V8s have been the performance engine of choice for a LONG time. The aftermarket is wide and relatively inexpensive. The guy I know with the 5.0 paid $3000 for the car (92, great condition). He put about $4000 into it, and overpaid IMO. He's running 12s now. V8s are cheaper to get into the 12s, and the amount of parts is much greater (compared to the H22 in question, anyhow... a B18 might be a different story).

There is nothing wrong with a V8, or someone who works on one. No one is insulting V8s in any way. We're simply trying to admire such a wonderfully built 4 cylinder!

[Snuff]

you all make it sound like any moron can make an eight cylinder car go fast. I would love to see some of you try to make a V8 faster. Its not like a mechanic who works on eight cylinder muscle cars is any less of a mechanic than one who works on imports. Many of you are saying things to the extent that I am not fair to import drivers but yet you all are being just as if not more unfair towards mechanics who may work on eight cylinder american cars.


Good LORD, Gigante. Have you suffered an emtional breakdown? Are you feeling persecuted? Have you developed some sort of self esteem problem? Well, on behalf of CB7, we apologize and if we were still giving out psychiatric coupons, you'd get one free session.

Look. We aren't shitting on you or your prescious V8's, k? In fact, some of us here love V8's. Some of our best friends are V8's! (Can ya sense that sarcasm?)

Naturally, we are thinking that someone who can squeeze 247.7 WHP & 188.4 WTQ out of an all motor I4 is doing SOMEthing "Magical" because the simple fact is that the engines in question weren't DESIGNED for it.
They were DESIGNED to save weight, reduce gas mileage and push around a tin can grocery getter.

Yeah yeah, there's no replacement for displacement. blah blah blah. Whoever said that can suck a dick because that's a blanket statement.
You can displace all the CC's you want, but if it only makes one run before it blows up then.....

A mechanic is a mechanic is a mechanic. The only difference we're talking about here is the guys ability to squeeze all the HP they can out of a small motor. We aren't saying that because "we" can do 13's in the 1/4 makes us King of the hill. We're just happy about it. Hey, fast is a good reason to be happy.

Look, why would you think that we are shitting on a guys ability to work on the car? It's a CAR for Fuck sake. They almost all respond the same way when worked on by someone who knows what they are doing.

What about the Mustang when it first came out? That was a girly little car until Shelby got his hands on it. (Thank you Mr. Shelby) I also like the 2K5 mustang. But that's an example of a car that wasn't DESIGNED to be super fast or super powerful in the beginning and now look where it is. It's also had close to 40 years of history.
Well our CB7's aren't designed to be superfast or super powerful, but we're squeezing out as much as we can.
Go ahead, Work on your V8's. I IMPLORE you. We don't care. We're just talking amoungst ourselves about how nice it is that a car that is 15 years old, came with a 2.2 litre engine, is front wheel drive and weighed almost 3000lbs can be tuned to something that can compete on a track/strip with a car that is a symbol for V8-America.

So it takes a bit of cash to do what a new Vette does right out of the box, So What? If I wanted a Vette, I'd get one. But I don't and can't afford it anyhow. Nice car, don't want it.

Have you READ what H22Sparkle and myself posted up there? We wrote that it's nice that a car that is inferior WRT power can take out cars that were designed to be more powerful.
Are you telling me that if you were at the track with your muscle car that you worked on yourself and you got a chance to race a drag champ that runs a I4 and does 12's all day long that you wouldn't be happy if you beat him? Well, flip that around a bit.

Here we have a car that was meant to be a grocery getter and a rugrat cage and after a bit of tweaking it takes out a car that has had years of research and design work to make it a high performance car. Well, to me, that's a bit of bragging rights.
No, it's not a blanket statement that V8's suck and that I4's rule or that "our" mechanics are better than "your" mechanics.
It's a statement that this little foriegn car that's 15 years old has had some work done to it and that it beat a car and a driver that couldn't handle. (2 actually)

Power is nothing without control.

And a moron can't do sh!t. It takes a person who knows what they're doing to get the desired results, V8 or not. Jesus, next you'll be finding something wrong with V6's. You know, Hondas have those as well. Maybe you just don't like imports and are upset that you got stuck with one.
News flash, life isn't going to work out the way you thought it would. You aren't a rock star. You aren't a millionaire. You aren't someone to be feared. You aren't worthy of respect unless you earn it.

Just like the rest of us.

Welcome to the world as you know it. Oh look, other people live here too.


P.S. fix your sig.

[2point6]

Gigante, lets settle this. You asked me to stick up for myself and I did. You have yet to talk directly to me since then. So, based on all the information you have in this post, where do you stand? You doubted the post was legit, however myself and others have proven that the post is valid wether I got lucky or not. You have turned this into what it is by some of your "off the wall" comments. The way I see it, is that I will never convince you of the possibility because you are too narrow minded to grasp the concept. I am not meaning this as an insult to you as you seem to have little concept of anything that is outside of the domestic v8. I personally don't have much of a clue about v8's myself, so the opposite can be said about me. Fair? Like you, I also own a vehicle I am not an expert on... it is a Chevy 1 ton dually with a 454. I am just now putting headers on it...lol. You are good with v8's but have yet to discover the potential of the 4cyl that you also own. We are even right? So ask me a question about how I did it, rather than say it is impossible. I have run a couple of 12 second passes at the track. I earned that. I did it with just the engine and no other go fast additives like NOS or turbo. It seems the ZO6 runs a similiar time from the factory. Congrats to the Z06 owner and congrats to me for having an Accord that CAN run the same. Quit hating and open your eyes a little. The world is colorful and there is all kinds of cool stuff out there for you to experience.

[Gigante]

First of all I dont own the honda any more. So saying stuff like i am stuck with a car i dont know anything about and i have a honda because i am not a rockstar or whatever stupid shit you are saying is pointless and not true in any way. And dont say I have turned this thread into what it is seeing as how i am not the one who keeps starting it back up. Its you guys who are responsible for that

[2point6]

Damn dude... I was trying to give you the benifit of the doubt based on the information in this post. However you just don't get it. You oviously don't know how to read as well. Your ingnorance is so blinding... no wonder your eyes stay shut. Good luck in life, you will go far.

[JDMCB3Si]

OK this is where I am going to step in and call you out gigante.....


My old ladies dad has a 79 gran prix with a BUILT 400 in it. His BEST times at the track was only a 13.6. Now my time at the track with a F22a1 with 178K on it with JUST a short ram cai, NGK 8.5mm wires, 2.5" mandrel bent exhaust and a header was 15.3.

NOW... you tell me what the problem here is? He spent over 6K to get his motor where it is and I spent about 300. He may be running 13.6 but it IS a 400 V8. I ran a 15 with a 4 CYLINDER.

Domestic cars ARE NOTHING.... A honda will take most of them in an instant. Now why don't you pull your head out of GM and FORDs ASS and realize that 2.6 WON... HE WON... that is the end of all the debates as this thread was about him WINNING.... He has proof.. he shows in his sig what he pulls AT THE WHEELS not at the crank (as in your comparsion to the Z06). Find out what the vette pulls at the wheels and then compare and calculate and you will be amazed at your findings I am sure.

this is retarded to argue as my brother who is a camaro fanatic and swears by them kept arguing this with me till he bought a civic and started modding the motor. He then shut his yap too....

Some of us put more into our motors and concentrate on HP not looking like some wannabe off F&F.

[Snuff]

So you sold your Honda, Yaaaaaay. Here, I hate to do this, but if you want to find a site that will be more to your genre, go to Supercars.net and try to find a life there. Although, I can tell you that there are a few there that won't put up with your bullshit either. Talk to Chris V and ask HIM about engine comparisons.
You don't like the thread or the comments, then LEAVE. We won't miss you.

And if you don't own a CB7 anymore, what the FUCK are you still here for? (I'll bet you have an I.Q. of 95, don't you?)

-Sorry AccordTunerX for plugging another site in your forums.

[deevergote]

Ok guys, let it go. Gigante, I understand that you doubt the situation, and don't share our enthusiasm. Whatever. This board is for CB7 enthusiasts, which you obviously are not. The Domestic/Import argument could go on forever, and no one is ever "right". As I said before, it's all about preference. I don't prefer a 10mpg 500hp V8. You don't understand the excitement generated by a 250hp 28mpg I4. So be it. Who cares?

If you doubt 2point6's claim, so be it yet again... This is the internet. You have just as much freedom to doubt as we have to believe. I, for one, don't think a business man would lie about his car, when it directly reflects on his shop...

Normally I would close such a mess of a thread, but I don't want to do it to this thread... Plus, no one is REALLY getting out of hand (though it's coming close...).


Feel free to state your opinion. Just PLEASE don't defend it as if it were fact! (That goes for everyone!)

[wlfpck]

see alright heres what I understand. No I don't know much about cars so bare with me.

More horsepower = worse gas milage

wit this said, I would like to point this out, sure I would love to own a corvette, but i'm 16, I used my money to get a cb7. See I can afford the cb7... I can't afford the vette.

No i'm not dissing imports either. I've driven my friends mustang. I've test driven a viper. I love those cars. but seriously, nething is possible, the srt-4 beat a corvette from a dead start. ( i have a video but have no idea how to upload it. Its on my IRC fserve) I also have a civic taking a viper from a dig. (also have video)

So it is all a matter of driving experience and how much money put into the car. So lets all take a deep breathe and STFU!


okay. I'm good now.

btw good kill on the vettes

[owequitit]

Just saw a couple of things I would like to comment on. I was so fired up I couldn't stand to read the whole thing, so sorry if I have repeated anything.

1)Not all Z06's had 405HP. There were many with 385. My friend's mom has a 385HP Z06 and it ran 12.9 stock down to the paper air filter. That was on a hot day with a driver that has TONS of seat time. This guy can drive.

2)Gigante, you start spouting off about domestic muscle cars and their "high 300s and low 400s" HP figures. I hate to be the one that has to educate you on this, but they were rated using "SAE Gross" measurement methods, where everything since 1971ish has been rated by "SAE Net" methods. I know that this is beneath a genious like you, but the change in measurement suddenly made your 400HP engines more like 300-325 on a good day. Don't believe me? Find any powertrain or automotive engineer of your choice and ask them.

3)I love all cars, especially old muscle cars. But why is there this perception among domestic guys that you can just rub a domestic V8 and it will suddenly make 1,000HP? Sorry to say, having been there. It costs just as much to get 450HP NA out of a 350 (if you can find one, as most go the 383 route) as it does out of a turbocharged F22/H22 that is built properly. And yes, that is with both guys building their own.

2point6 spent more because he chose to make a 2.4liter I4 (that is roughly 146 C.I.D.) competitive with all of your beloved V8s without resorting to turbocharging. He also did most of the R&D himself, which is expensive. Car companies spend millions doing what he has done, even the big V8 guys. Now he whoops up on them regularly. Just the fact that it ACTUALLY comes down to the driver is reason enough to respect the car.

4)Oh, hate to burst your bubble on 1 other point. All of your "SUPER V8's" don't run 12s. The Vette didn't regularly reach the 12's until the new Z06 appeared. The first gen Viper was lucky to run a mid to high 12. And all of your beloved 10 second muscle cars? Not anywhere near stock. I watched a road test and have gathered much data from other places and most were in the 14's. The lowest in the comparison test was the 69 Mustang Boss 429 that ran a 13.8-.9.

Cars included: 1970 Chevelle 454SS
AMC AMX
1969 Boss 429
1970 Buick ????
1970 Olds 442 W30
1970 Dodge Challenger 440
1970 Plymouth 426 Barracuda

2point6's Accord is a regular low 13 vehicle, and has on occasion run high 12s. This is in Arizona where it is hot and relatively high. Oh yeah, he also has the timeslips to prove it. Believe what you want, it isn't the truth.

[91AccordLX]

well get this i was praire doggin, but then i accidently pooped my panties, now im all shy about it, im sorry. it was green.

[Snuff]

I seem to remember that the light was blue at the time.