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    Originally posted by af_1132 View Post
    I feel for you man. I just went through this myself. It depends on how messed up the threads are from you trying to bend the nut back out. On my passenger side, the threads were so mashed that I broke a 2ft 1/2" drive breaker bar with a cheater bar for another foot. I broke it at the same spot you did. Electric impacts and impact drivers do not have enough torque for this kind of job.

    What is the max torque on your air gun? I was able to get it loose with a twin hammer Craftsman rated at 580 ft-lbs hooked up to a puny 5 gallon 125psi tank. It won't hold pressure long, but about five sets of beatings was all it took. That was also only at 90 psi to the gun.

    I would seriously recommend investing in a twin hammer air gun, even if the compressor you have is small. The one I was recommending was only $140 at Sears when I got it.

    Good luck man.
    Tank:
    135 PSI max
    4.8CFM @ 40PSI
    3.5CFM @ 90PSI

    Impact Gun:
    420ft-lb torque
    needs 3.7 SCFM @ 90PSI

    Ya, I think I'm going to buy an electric impact to see if it will do the job. 380ft-lbs tq.


    Originally posted by XCRN View Post
    You will need a torch. That is what I did when I swapped the clutch and transmission.

    A breaker bar will do nothing for you, and I had no luck with air tools I borrowed. I had a 8 foot galvanized steel pole for an extension and that did nothing but break two breaker bars. Love Harbor Freight's return policy.

    I am going to torch it next time but debating if I should buy a bigger breaker bar or go with a better electric impact gun.

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      Originally posted by Raf99 View Post
      Tank:
      135 PSI max
      4.8CFM @ 40PSI
      3.5CFM @ 90PSI

      Impact Gun:
      420ft-lb torque
      needs 3.7 SCFM @ 90PSI

      Ya, I think I'm going to buy an electric impact to see if it will do the job. 380ft-lbs tq.





      I am going to torch it next time but debating if I should buy a bigger breaker bar or go with a better electric impact gun.
      a bigger breaker bar is way cheaper, and will take any torque you put on it (cheater bar pipe extension). I feel the impact would ultimately be futile if those really are stuck...


      - 1993 Accord LX - White sedan (sold)
      - 1993 Accord EX - White sedan (wrecked)
      - 1991 Accord EX - White sedan (sold)
      - 1990 Accord EX - Grey sedan (sold)
      - 1993 Accord EX - White sedan (sold)
      - 1992 Accord EX - White coupe (sold)
      - 1993 Accord EX - Grey coupe (stolen)
      - 1993 Accord SE - Gold coupe (sold)
      Current cars:
      - 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Wagon - Daily driver
      - 2004 Chevrolet Express AWD - Camper conversion

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        Originally posted by cp[mike] View Post
        a bigger breaker bar is way cheaper, and will take any torque you put on it (cheater bar pipe extension). I feel the impact would ultimately be futile if those really are stuck...
        I'm going with your advice cp[mike]. I will buy a 3/4" breaker bar with a new 36mm 3/4" socket and use the pipe and see what happens. I'll also use heat.

        Oooo, this will be fun

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            + heat + luck = fingers crossed

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              well dam!!

              5min of propane torch + 3/4" breaker bar + 4' 2" pipe + all my weight or pulling on it and no go I even extended the breaker bar with the pipe by 2 feet. That breaker bar is rated for 800ft-lbs tq. and it was bending.....

              Also tried 5min of heat then impact gun.
              Also tried hitting on the nut edges with hammer to shake things loose.

              AND THAT NUT DIDN'T MOVE 1mm !!! The broken 1/2" breaker bar I was using in the studs to hold the wheel from turning has a bend in it now.

              I think I need to call defeat on this one.....

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                Are you doing all of this torquing with the wheel/tire on the car and the cars weight is on the ground? I always do this when they're stubborn and I always go down with the bar, lifting up only unweights that corner which is not what you want. Also e brake on and in gear too. Any deflection is robbing your torque!

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                  Did you try jumping/bouncing on it a bit? That usually works until something breaks.

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                    I would do it with the car on the ground.

                    Go to your local Dairy Queen and find the fattest Sum Bitch you can find to bounce on that bar. Just promise him or her 5 Blizzards of the month.

                    Come here piggy piggy.


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                      Originally posted by Granite CB7 View Post
                      Are you doing all of this torquing with the wheel/tire on the car and the cars weight is on the ground? I always do this when they're stubborn and I always go down with the bar, lifting up only unweights that corner which is not what you want. Also e brake on and in gear too. Any deflection is robbing your torque!
                      I am doing it with the car on four jack stands and standing on the bar or pulling down on the bar. The wheel isn't going anywhere, no deflection.

                      Originally posted by sonikaccord View Post
                      Did you try jumping/bouncing on it a bit? That usually works until something breaks.
                      I bounced until the socket came off which is starting to round the corners of the nut, so i stopped that.

                      Originally posted by tishock View Post
                      I would do it with the car on the ground.

                      Go to your local Dairy Queen and find the fattest Sum Bitch you can find to bounce on that bar. Just promise him or her 5 Blizzards of the month.

                      Come here piggy piggy.
                      LoL...


                      Really I think bouncing on the bar isn't going to help here since I had a 4' 2" steel bar on the breaker bar and I was standing on this bouncing after torching the bolt. The breaker bar was bending which is rated for 800...

                      So........ if I can borrow a impact gun I'll try this gain but otherwise I'm not sure what else I can do here....

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                        Also, you want to use a scissor jack, jack stand or regular jack under the head of the breaker bar. This will help keep the socket on the nut and not loose torque while its fighting with the edge of the nut and eventually stripping it.

                        Last edited by Tishock; 12-05-2014, 09:08 PM.

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                          Did you straighten out the dented portion on the ridge of the nut?
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                            Originally posted by Raf99 View Post
                            I am doing it with the car on four jack stands and standing on the bar or pulling down on the bar. The wheel isn't going anywhere, no deflection.
                            You'd be surprised - as you bounce, the breaker bar fighting against the other bar (that you had between the studs) will actually lift the suspension up and deflect all the valuable torque. At this point, you really should have the wheel on the ground, with somebody standing on the brakes, with a jackstand under the head of the bar as pictured above. The tool arrangement needs to be absolutely RIGID to be able to transfer all of the torque youre applying to the head in one blast without ANY deflection in any other direction. It also negates the possibility of stripping it from the socket slipping off - because if that is happening, it is clear the tool is being worked at a weird angle. I also usually ask a friend or family member to sit on the ground nearby and push their heel against the back of the head of the breaker bar - holding it onto the nut - while i jumped on the extension pipe.

                            You also want to deliver the torque in max-blast Impacts. Slow, elastic stretching of pulling slowly actually minimizes torque. Hit it HARD, quickly, and youll hear a huge crack sound of the nut finally letting go.

                            Originally posted by GhostAccord View Post
                            Did you straighten out the dented portion on the ridge of the nut?
                            Yeah, I also asked if the nut had been "un-staked" yet or not. Hard to tell from the picture.
                            Last edited by cp[mike]; 12-05-2014, 09:58 PM.


                            - 1993 Accord LX - White sedan (sold)
                            - 1993 Accord EX - White sedan (wrecked)
                            - 1991 Accord EX - White sedan (sold)
                            - 1990 Accord EX - Grey sedan (sold)
                            - 1993 Accord EX - White sedan (sold)
                            - 1992 Accord EX - White coupe (sold)
                            - 1993 Accord EX - Grey coupe (stolen)
                            - 1993 Accord SE - Gold coupe (sold)
                            Current cars:
                            - 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Wagon - Daily driver
                            - 2004 Chevrolet Express AWD - Camper conversion

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                              Funny, I knew someone who used the trick above and backed up his truck with a tow hitch next to the car over the breaker bar. Then the truck was jacked up and the bar re-positioned under the tow hitch. Finally, he released the jack and let the truck drop on the bar. It actually worked for him.



                              I've also seen videos on YouTube of people doing something similar as above and then revving the engine. Using the engines power to break it loose.

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                              Last edited by Tishock; 12-05-2014, 09:33 PM.

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                                So was using the scissor jack and did have the gf holding her heel to the unit. But she didn't feel safe when I was bouncing on it so she left, this is when the socket slipped off. Only happened twice. I may try putting the car in the ground but after this I'mjust going to cut the bolt off iI think. Actually going tomorrow morning goingto see if I can rent a 500+ ft.lbs torque gun.

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