Cisco NA F22 non-VTEC SOHC Project - Full Street White

[HondaFan81]

Installed oil temp gauge today, started it up, no leaks. Got the engine up to normal operating temperature and revved it up some while parked. The oil temp were between 125-150 deg F. I could not take it out for a spin because it was wet out, mixed with residual road salt. Also, the tune now will idle the motor, but even driving it in the parking lot is not smooth any more. It really needs to be retuned.

I will have the money for the RC 550 injectors soon, will install those. Keep in mind the car will not be driveable. Then, I save up for the Bisimoto header and await reception/installation. I'll end up trailering the car again to the dyno for a final tune, all prepared.

[HondaFan81]

really dont suggest running RC injectors. For some reason they have a big problem with providing a consistant flow. all shops i deal with here in colorado no longer run RC because of them stopping flow halfway down the track and causing detonation. Hight suggest precision injectors. little cheaper but better product.

Endyn uses them exclusively, no problems. Scott Byars from Collective Racing uses them, no issues. My performance shop/tuner (www.pure-tuning.com) uses them, no problems.

I'm wondering if this is a bad rumor going around, wonder if they ever checked their injector filters for debris as well. Perhaps it was more fuel system related because of lack of maintenance/dirty system, etc.

I do thank you for the tip, but I'd need more evidence to think otherwise. For just about every part, there is always someone out there with a prob. However, after realizing how most people go about diagnosing problems, it makes me think otherwise.

[MRX]

Endyn uses them exclusively, no problems. Scott Byars from Collective Racing uses them, no issues. My performance shop/tuner (www.pure-tuning.com) uses them, no problems.

I'm wondering if this is a bad rumor going around, wonder if they ever checked their injector filters for debris as well. Perhaps it was more fuel system related because of lack of maintenance/dirty system, etc.

I do thank you for the tip, but I'd need more evidence to think otherwise. For just about every part, there is always someone out there with a prob. However, after realizing how most people go about diagnosing problems, it makes me think otherwise.

I've had problems tuning cars with RC injectors too..on 3 seperate occasions. They're the only injectors that ever fail on me. RC reps claim there is never a problem with their injectors as they are made to the highest blah blah blah...they sent back new ones with a "sorry" note last time.

[turbo90accord]

However, after realizing how most people go about diagnosing problems, it makes me think otherwise.

Very valid point. But i have seen them fail on vehicle running one gallon fuel
cells that were super clean and no debris in the filters and they mechanically failed.

[HondaFan81]

never dropped taken directly out of the new package and put into the motor. made 4 successful passes with them and the 5th pass one injector locked closed destroying the engine. RC sent them the same apology letter as described above.

I do appreciate your perseverance and information, please don't take my comments the wrong way. I just want proof is all. Considering MRX and your comments, I'd like to consider the Precision alternative as a possibility since I will be making the purchase soon.

I need 440 cc minimal and would like to retain peak & hold setup, not to modify my stock wiring (I like simplicity). Basically, I want plug & play injectors. I will consider larger injectors, but in close proximity to 440 so that it does not affect my idling control.

EDIT: Precision's smallest peak & hold injector is 580 cc/min. Too big, more idle control problems as 440 cc/min will be adequate. So it's either RC 550 cc/min peak & hold or I bypass resistor box for a saturated 440 cc/min setup. I can then go RC or Precision for the 440 cc/mn sizing. I'm calling my tuner to discuss and finalize this.

NOTE: Neither RC or Precision manufacture injectors, they check and modify them for each application. In theory, they both should have flow tested/checked each injector before shipment.

[owequitit]

I hate to say it Cisco, but I have heard of some issues too. I have also dealt with some other Lucas products (which is who makes them for RC), and they aren't known as the "Prince of Darkness" for nothing.

[HondaFan81]

I hate to say it Cisco, but I have heard of some issues too. I have also dealt with some other Lucas products (which is who makes them for RC), and they aren't known as the "Prince of Darkness" for nothing.

My current options:

Retain peak & hold stock setup

RC 550 cc/min (disc type)


Modify to saturated setup

RC 440 cc/min (disc type)

Precision 440 cc/min (disc type)


Keep in mind, I have a good contact (www.cruzinperformance.com, contact: Rich) that deals with fuel injectors 24-7. He has not seen any significant issues with RC or Precision injectors. The only injector be blatantly said to stay away from are Venom. He mentioned ball-seat design can not handle higher pressures as well as disc type, also that RC's disc type are stainless steel internals which are more durable.

[owequitit]

My current options:

Retain peak & hold stock setup

RC 550 cc/min (disc type)


Modify to saturated setup

RC 440 cc/min (disc type)

Precision 440 cc/min (disc type)


Keep in mind, I have a good contact (www.cruzinperformance.com, contact: Rich) that deals with fuel injectors 24-7. He has not seen any significant issues with RC or Precision injectors. The only injector be blatantly said to stay away from are Venom. He mentioned ball-seat design can not handle higher pressures as well as disc type, also that RC's disc type are stainless steel internals which are more durable.

I can understand not wanting to convert. I guess you could try it and see what happens. Like I said on the phone. I don't have 1st hand experience with the injectors, just some of the other stuff.

[HondaFan81]

After speaking with my tuner, he's only known about RC's failing on 750+ cc size injectors on turbo setups with decent boost over the base fuel pressure settings. These size injectors at 70+ fuel psi he's known to lockup.

He also stated on his Mustang dyno NA setups making 250 whp with 440 cc/min injectors are at about 55 psi. With 550 cc, I'd be at stock-like fuel pressures so he sees no idle control issues. He also agrees with simplicity on not bypassing my resistor box for a saturated setup.

I'm getting RC 550 cc/min injectors peak & hold, I like simplicity.

[owequitit]

After speaking with my tuner, he's only known about RC's failing on 750+ cc size injectors on turbo setups with decent boost over the base fuel pressure settings. These size injectors at 70+ fuel psi he's known to lockup.

He also stated on his Mustang dyno NA setups making 250 whp with 440 cc/min injectors are at about 55 psi. With 550 cc, I'd be at stock-like fuel pressures so he sees no idle control issues. He also agrees with simplicity on bypassing my resistor box for saturated setup.

I'm getting RC 550 cc/min injectors peak & hold, I like simplicity.

I know you will document the results.

[HondaFan81]

Bought RC 550 cc/min peak & hold injectors today. Arrive in 4-5 days. Add 2 gauge pod A-pillar 94-97 Integra to list as well, gotta install them oil temp & psi gauges nicely, eventually.

[turbo90accord]

I admire all the work you have in this, but wouldnt it be cheaper to buy a h22?

You have no faith in the F!!!

[cb7addict]

Oh ok, he is just trying to get the most he can out of a f series. No I like the f22s. I only read the first page our so... How much whp are you expecting with what you have done so far?

[NAiL05]

Should be well over 200whp mark.

[cb7addict]

Well....yea, what they said. I'll just walk my a$$ out the door, apparently I'm not needed around here! LOL.

d112crzy/Jose hit the nail on the head as to my entire reason for this build, well put. As I've said before, somewhere between 200-250 WHP I'm thinking I'll be.

Thats awesome!